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AI Summary
- George Saunders discusses his new novel 'Vigil,' which explores darker themes than his public 'kindness guru' persona, following an oil tycoon reassessing his life on his deathbed
- Saunders wrestles with the tension between recognizing how circumstances condition our lives and the need to pass moral judgment and reckon with truth
- The conversation pushes back against Saunders' reputation for kindness advocacy, revealing a more complex engagement with anger, ambition, and sin