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Richard Sutton – Father of RL thinks LLMs are a dead end

Sep 26, 2025 · 1h 6m
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  • Richard Sutton, father of RL and 2024 Turing Award winner, argues LLMs cannot learn on-the-job and will be obsoleted by continuous learning architectures
  • Proposes a new paradigm where agents learn experientially like animals rather than relying on discrete pre-training phases
  • Debates whether LLMs can serve as foundation models for experiential learning or represent a fundamentally limited approach

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