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Lenny's Podcast: Product | Career | Growth
Lenny's Podcast: Product | Career | Growth

Notion’s lost years, its near collapse during Covid, staying small to move fast, the joy and suffering of building horizontal, more | Ivan Zhao (CEO and co-founder)

Mar 6, 2025 · 1h 12m
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  • Notion faced near collapse during Covid and had 'lost years' before finding product-market fit.
  • Ivan Zhao advises 'hiding vision' behind desired features, like 'sugar-coating broccoli'.
  • Perseverance through product resets and code rewrites was key to Notion's success.

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